How many of us believe "The Truth will set you Free&quo

firebetty · Post by **firebetty** » Fri Jun 20, 2003 2:56 pm

in light of Mood Swung's call for Truth, i thought this might be a good place to ask,
Does the Truth set you free?
for me, ambivalence is prevailing right now and it is rather unsettling.

A rope leash · Post by **A rope leash** » Fri Jun 20, 2003 4:21 pm

That's the capitalized "Truth", as in "the actual facts", then? There's comfort in that, but freedom depends on what the true facts are.

SweetPear · Post by **SweetPear** » Fri Jun 20, 2003 5:13 pm

A rope leash wrote: There's comfort in that, but freedom depends on what the true facts are.

I agree. But there's comfort in just knowing the reality that the truth brings. Good or bad it gives the opportunity to deal and that's liberating.

girl out of time · Post by **girl out of time** » Fri Jun 20, 2003 7:57 pm

it´s an interesting question....but what´s true? what´s false? is there one and only one reality?
a part of me has always believed that the truth will set you free...altough some other times the truth might imprison you....if you know what i mean.....

SweetPear · Post by **SweetPear** » Fri Jun 20, 2003 11:41 pm

Aside from hard facts, one's truth (reality) is what it's perceived to be. What's true for one may not be true for another.
Life is perception and one's perception of the truth is what makes the difference.
Yes, 1 + 1 = 2
But is the glass half empty or half full?

Girl out of Time,
The truth might imprison you (one's perception) but it's still truth even if one refuses to accept it.
I think that the truth, whether it be good or bad can set you free because it affords you the chance to cope and deal with it.
Husband leaves wife and files for divorce. Wife can live in denial and misery by just not accepting the truth or she can accept that truth, deal with it and move on.
Two different outcomes depending on one's perception of the truth.

What d'ya think?

girl out of time · Post by **girl out of time** » Sat Jun 21, 2003 12:15 am

i think that sometimes the fervent search for THE TRUTH might be an obstacle in your way....specially when you get obssesed by it.
i´ve always tried to see things from different points of view: and then form an opinion. please do not get me wrong...i definitely believe that truth most of the time sets you free...

sulkygirl · Post by **sulkygirl** » Sat Jun 21, 2003 12:18 am

I've found out (the hard way) that being honest & truthful sometimes hurts the folks around you far more than the average "white lie".

Sometimes, you HAVE to lie to save people's feelings, to avoid mental & emotional disaster.

The truth hurts.

costellopunk · Post by **costellopunk** » Sat Jun 21, 2003 3:18 am

is the glass half empty or half full? all i know is i don't want to drink what's in it.

Post by **spooky girlfriend** » Sat Jun 21, 2003 9:45 am

FB: Sometimes speaking the truth to people, when you've been holding it back, can indeed give you freedom - freedom from the exhausting measures you might have taken to hide it. It can become tiresome to hide feelings or information and you don't want to intentionally hurt people, but you also don't want to hurt yourself. Even if it hurts people, sometimes you have to be truthful - to keep from destroying yourself.

A rope leash · Post by **A rope leash** » Sat Jun 21, 2003 10:01 am

Isn't there a song by Depeche Mode called "A Policy of Truth"?

O yeah, just go ahead saying what's in your head. They call the wind "pariah".

Great article in this week's Onion about a guy who goes to a family get-together...

Whatever you do, don't speak truth to power.

Post by **BlueChair** » Sat Jun 21, 2003 10:33 am

YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!!

SweetPear · Post by **SweetPear** » Sat Jun 21, 2003 3:46 pm

BlueChair wrote:YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!!

bambooneedle · Post by **bambooneedle** » Sat Jun 21, 2003 9:42 pm

yes... if it's your truth first and foremost, not what you may have just borrowed from someone else.

Copenhagen Fan · Post by **Copenhagen Fan** » Mon Jun 23, 2003 9:50 am

The Truth ALWAYS sets you free....If you can't live with your own actions, then you shouldn't do it....and if you DO it....then it kills you to keep it a secret.....

El Vez · Post by **El Vez** » Mon Jun 23, 2003 10:01 am

Perception rules. Always has, always will.

A rope leash · Post by **A rope leash** » Mon Jun 23, 2003 10:17 am

But what if our perceptions are factually incorrect? It could be a truth to us, but in reality, it's something completely different.

For example, the Earth rotates around the Sun. But for years, men assumed that the Sun rotated around the Earth, because that is sure as Hell what it seems like what it is from here, where we percieve it.

I don't even trust my inner voices. In the past, I've had vivid dreams that include such imagery as Mary, Jesus, and Budda. It is all so very vague, though, in the end, no matter how shocking or appropriate at the time.

Even if it was a message from The Holy, how do I know for sure if they won't visit when I'm awake? How do I know it isn't Satan? Why would anyone say "I know Jesus is for real because he came to me in a dream"? Don't folks know about the brain's awful capacity to fuck with itself?

Where's Shabbydoll?

taz · Post by **taz** » Mon Jun 23, 2003 11:09 am

Torn on this...Truth, in theory, sets you free. But when man comes into it you're more likely to be shunned or imprisoned by the truth, especially when it goes against the party line.

As the lovely Ms. BA said on the old board, 'cuz if you believe that, then the terrorists have won.' Or if you smoke a joint you support terrorism, we live in a world of propoganda, truth has no place in it.

A rope leash · Post by **A rope leash** » Mon Jun 23, 2003 11:58 am

"...there are lies, damn lies, and statistics."

I forget who said it.

I could not care less in what the average man thinks is the "truth". I'm more interested in the actual facts, especially when someone is telling me that some fanatastic belief they have is "true".

Like, did you know there were Christian saints in the old American west? Millions believe it's an absolute. One was named Joseph Smith, an alias if I ever heard one.

The truth is that they hold so much power that you cannot say it isn't true, because who are you? You ain't got jack. They got big fancy buildings and huge amounts of tax-free cash.

Power is "truth", at least that's a common perception, and people fall for authoritative absolutes everyday. Believing what you want, or what you do, does not make what you believe factual.

Believing everything "they" say makes you a dupe.

SweetPear · Post by **SweetPear** » Mon Jun 23, 2003 6:09 pm

But what if our perceptions are factually incorrect? It could be a truth to us, but in reality, it's something completely different.

Well, that's a problem.

SweetPear · Post by **SweetPear** » Mon Jun 23, 2003 6:18 pm

Rope, I agree with what you're saying....
I'd just add...if one really believes...... no, not even believes....like with your example about the sun and the moon......those people honestly thought that it was a fact that the sun rotated around the earth. Their belief in that truth wasn't disingenuous. So how can they be blamed for being bogus with the truth?

And there ya go...that just leads to more truth. When facts change and/or new circumstances come to light, thare's a new fact. A new truth.

Yeah?

A rope leash · Post by **A rope leash** » Mon Jun 23, 2003 6:26 pm

No, they can't be blamed, only faulted for taking it as an absolute.

Yes, this is what I was saying about the truth being constant. It may change because we found out different, but it remains the truth.

The hard part is picking the real facts out of the stinking pile of so-called "truths" we encounter every day.

Whew!

SweetPear · Post by **SweetPear** » Mon Jun 23, 2003 6:32 pm

BLAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!

Here's a truth.......

I CAN'T TALK ABOUT THIS ANYMORE!!!!

Post by **BlueChair** » Mon Jun 23, 2003 6:36 pm

Yeah, I'm thinking of deleting this thread.

A rope leash · Post by **A rope leash** » Mon Jun 23, 2003 9:01 pm

...for security reasons, of course.

Post by **BlueChair** » Mon Jun 23, 2003 9:29 pm

of course

Elvis Costello Fan Forum

How many of us believe "The Truth will set you Free&quo

Will The Truth will set you Free"?

How many of us believe "The Truth will set you Free&quo

Only if you're curious.

Re: Only if you're curious.

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A Policy of Truth

Head trip

Some wise sage, no doubt...

Re: Head trip

I think so.

If 6 was 9